"He actually went to France a year or so ago and was with Nicolas Sarkozy and said that, ‘Here I am with the French Prime Minister, our best ally in the world.’ Now think about this. Name one time in the last 20 years that the French stood by us with anything," Santorum said.

"But in Barack Obama’s eyes, that makes them our best ally, because they fought what was in the best interest of our country."

Sarkozy is actually France’s president, not prime minister.

Sure, Santorum. And women should also carry the baby of the man that raped her since it is “a gift from god”.

This is what passes for a Presidential candidate in the GOP. Wow…

Quranic verse of the week:

"So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them." — Qur’an 4:34

"Sudan: Women are punished with ‘600,000’ lashes a year," from AKI, December 16

Khartoum, 16 Dec. (AKI) - Forty thousand women in Sudan are subject to police whippings for moral transgressions each year, a figure that came to light after a video was circulated on the Internet which showed the public thrashing of a Khartoum woman.

Sudanese feminist and political figure Mariam al-Sadiq al-Madi brought the issue to the attention of authorities, the Sudanese daily al-Sharq al-Awsat reported.

The drama of the physical punishments against women in Sudan is much more serious than previously believed,” al-Madi said. She said that each year around 600,000 lashes are dealt to women in Sudan.

"The situation was worsened by a 1991 law that increased violence against them," she added.

The so-called ‘law 152’ allows for women to be whipped for an array of ‘moral’ crimes including wearing trousers as in the case of a journalist, Lubna Ahmad Hussein, who was found guilty of this ‘crime’ last year.

According to lawyer Nabil Adib, “a vast array of crimes allows for whippings,” she said, citing the excessive use of alcohol and gambling to washing one’s car in an incorrect location as crimes punishable by flogging.

A Muslim imam who lectures on non-violence and advises the German government on interfaith issues has been arrested in Germany for beating up his wife: Sheikh Abu Adam, 40, is now on remand in Munich while his wife, 31, is being guarded by police: she was allegedly assaulted so badly that she suffered a broken nose and shoulder and numerous cuts and bruises. Media reports claimed the woman, who has borne one of his ten children, wanted to live a more ‘western’ lifestyle and was allegedly attacked after telling her husband. The police said they received a call from a lawyer hired by the victim. Adam is alleged to have shouted a verse from the Koran at his wife as he beat her. The line said: 'Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. 'As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.' The imam is said to have refused to let police officers into his home, but they forced their way past him because they feared the woman’s life was in danger.

I’m thinking of making this a weekly series that shows how women are mistreated in the name of Islam. Beliefs are important when actions are involved. Just where the rubber meets the road. And that is what I will try to show.

In reason:
-FA

mujahida-deactivated20121113

mujahida:

We follow the understanding of the early generations of muslims and the companions of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. These people were taught the religion by the Messenger of Allah, the final Prophet - so needless to say, their understanding is the correct one and this is what…

Here is my reply to the reply:

You say: “We follow the understanding of the early generations of muslims and the companions of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him”

The fundamentalists say the same thing. Why should one take your word over theirs? That is why reason and the requirement for evidence before belief is granted is so important, because of those 2 factors we can tell what is actually  true from what is false. Just asserting the authority of “prophets” is worth nothing. Don’t you see? No outside, independent, non biased, observer would take such assertions seriously without any evidence to back them up. Why would he? 
The world is full of people, moral, gentle, kind people that do not acknowledge nor have seen any evidence that a being called allah exists. Still these people are good, even better than many believers in the muslim world. Isn’t it obvious then that the guidance of allah is not only unnecessary but totally inexistent? You assert the need of his guidance but you have yet to shown that he exists in the first place. How can you put the cart before the horse without even blinking?s

Have you noticed that there is no such thing as amish suicide bombers or fly-planes-into-buildings jainists? Isn’t it obvious then that belief informs actions and that the actions of muslims all around the world are testament to the fact? There is something peculiar to the islamic myth that produces such murderous, women hating, gay lynching, murderous actions all around the world were other myths do not. Isn’t it obvious? Brushing it aside as “culture” makes islam look even worse since the supposed “word of god” cannot overcome such evil in those that proclaim to believe in allah. Why is that? Wouldn’t it be because the doctrine can be understood to support such hateful actions? Would it be better to recognize that such myths have nothing to do with the real world and that discarding them is the first step to overcome such evils? Wouldn’t it better to replace such vacuous interpretations with actual, reasoned morality?

Lastly you say: “I’m not qualified to answer your question regarding apostasy, since it’s a very sensitive issue and it requires further knowledge and investigation.” How convenient. You know the answer, every good muslim knows the answer. You just decided to ignore it because it does not fit your imaginary concept of Islam (or maybe because something as simple as pride is gettin in the way). You can only block reality out for so long. Your weak dodge of the issue has only underscored the validity of my point. Shouldn’t we follow truth to wherever it leads us?

I will issue the challenge again, what should be done to someone who was a muslim and then became an atheist? Who once believed but now does not? Where is the “no compulsion” in religion you talk about? Where is it? What is the answer? How can you assert this and that about islam if you do not know? Or do you?

BTW, If a smart woman wants to dress in a tight dress that is her perrogative. If a female physics professor or the CEO of a fortune 500 company does not wear (or does wear) headgear is her decision. That is what freedom actually means. Doing what you like as long as you do not interfere with the rights or freedom of others. If you want to wear a hijab that is fine, but when the actual reason is dogma and a myth based sense of humble modesty (which is anything but when people like you assume that intelligence and wearing a tight dress are inversely correlated) that can hardly be called freedom. Especially the way such “modesty” is enforced in islamic countries. Again, good thing I live in the USA. Lastly I’m sorry to inform you that wearing a hijab and loose clothing does not make you or anyone else smarter, better or more intelligent than anyone else. And the last thing it does is highlight character. Just because muslim women conform to the myth based norms they have been born into does not mean it should be like that for everyone else. I am here to tell you there is a better way. A reasoned, fact based, evidence sustained way. 

Considering the following quote in one of your posts:

"Men have been favored over women in numerous ways, such as the fact that positions of leadership and Prophethood are limited to men only, and many acts of worship, such as jihad and leading the Eid prayers and Jumu’ah prayers, are for men only, and Allaah has favoured them with intellect, wisdom, patience and toughness which women do not share."

No man that respects women can sign up for such nonsense. Sorry. Women are as smart, wise, patient and tough as men. Some women even more so. Asserting the contrary is just hateful. And this is a man talking. One that does not hide behind religion to oppress women and make them believe that their are less than what they really are. I could never do that. Not even if a god commanded me to.

In reason:
-FA

seekthetruth-islam:

friendlyatheist:

Islam, religion of peace.

this is just wrong on so many levels…its just ignorance.
“Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife…..

I’m glad we both agree that hating women is pure ignorance. But the fact still remains that the same books you interpret to reject such ignorance are the same ones the fundamentalists use to assert their hate.   Since such texts cause so much hate and no text is needed to do what us right, why waste time with it?

seekthetruth-islam:

friendlyatheist:

Islam, religion of peace.

this is just wrong on so many levels…its just ignorance.

“Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife…..

I’m glad we both agree that hating women is pure ignorance. But the fact still remains that the same books you interpret to reject such ignorance are the same ones the fundamentalists use to assert their hate. Since such texts cause so much hate and no text is needed to do what us right, why waste time with it?