How sad. Muslims don’t know their own religion. Maybe if they did they wouldn’t be Muslims in the first place.
Here are some quotes from other fucking dumbasses, as described by shiawithin, that were closer to the events than me or anyone else today.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
9 years old /= late 20s. Simple.
Is it a surprise then that child brides are so prevalent in muslim societies? Of course not. Funny how the “misunderstanders” of Islam are those that know the source material more intimately than anyone else.
I find it sad that like the pope, you hide the church and the leaders responsible for this whole situation behind a legal argument in support of a system of law that has no applicability outside the walls of Vatican city. That is shameful. It reminded me of the words of Jesus Mark 7:13.
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition (cannon law?) that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.
As you might remember Jesus also said in Mark 9:42,
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.
The “cannon law” issue is irrelevant even in the biblical sense. This is not a cannon law issue Ryan, it is a moral one. Precisley the thing the church and the Pope, based on the examples I provided and that you conveniently ignored, do not have.
In regards to removing papal immunity, there are many making the legal case for it. Sadly we both know how it is almost impossible to bring the powerful to account (See George W. Bush for example). But again that is beside the point. All people that appreciate and respect truth cannot, in any good conscience, support such an organization much less defend the crass negligence (at best) or the crimes (at worst) of the individual that leads it. The size of the church or how old is it makes no difference. The church has a long history of internal reformer failures (Luther anyone?). The past is the best indicator of future conduct. Why waste your time on something that has proven ineffective for a bit under 2,000 years? The way the system is set up (a priesthood of “celibate” males only) and the “authority” that supports it (papal infallibility) is an affront to common sense and moral reason. Things that go beyond the letter of the law. Just like Jesus said…
Ryan brought the case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who today is Pope Benedict XVI. Ryan asked Benedict to forcibly remove Campbell from the priesthood.
In a personally signed letter, Ratzinger, citing Canon law, said he couldn’t defrock Campbell without Campbell’s permission – and instead suggested a local church trial, which would have taken years. It would be three more years before Bishop Ryan could persuade Campbell to request his own defrocking.
McCormick was speechless when he read the letter that kept his abuser an ordained priest.
“I think common sense should supersede Canon law,” McCormick said.
I am not surprised. This is nothing new. Nobody should give a rat’s behind for “cannon law”. Who cares? Isn’t doing what is right the important thing here? (Hitler, for example, was never excommunicated. But if you are a women priest, summary excommunication.) Common sense is not common at all.
The disagreement between religious and non-religious cannot be used to marginalize the reality that abuse transcends a presence or lack of beliefs.
I never stated that child abuse was found only in the Catholic priesthood. Such a complaint is a straw man distraction. The point was that the leaders of the Catholic Church decided that the institution came before the victims. Both in words and in actions, starting with Mr. Ratzinger.
“The case then languished for four years at the Vatican before Ratzinger finally wrote to the Oakland bishop. It was two more years before Kiesle was removed; during that time he continued to do volunteer work with children through the church.”
Ratzinger also noted, says the report, that any decision to defrock Kiesle must take into account the “good of the universal church” and the “detriment that granting the dispensation can provoke within the community of Christ’s faithful, particularly considering the young age.” The priest was 38 at the time.
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/290324#ixzz10WAiPjen
Notice how the priest still had access to children FOR 2 MORE YEARS with the knowledge of the Church. With Ratzinger’s personal knowledge!!! His position in this debacle is morally indefensible. As a self proclaimed friend of truth you should recognize these facts for what they are.
The fruit of this work can only come from further revision and correct implementation of canon law, and the efforts of the laity to serve as a watch-dog of even the national bishops conferences.
What? The only way to actually protect children is to recognize that cannon law does not supersede secular law. Never has, never will. Cannon law is totally irrelevant (unless you live in the Vatican). It is not so much modification of cannon law that is needed. Again, who cares? What needed to be done was implement secular law. As in calling the Police. As in not moving pedophiles around parishes when they got caught. As in not letting them have access to children after knowing what evils have such pedophiles done. How hard can that be? Where is the supposed Christian morality of the self proclaimed vicars of Christ? Please…
If hiding crimes and exposing children to abuse (FOR 2 YEARS) for “the good of the universal church”, is excusable, then anything is. And don’t get me started on how Cardinal Law was sheltered by the Vatican after the scandal, and how he covered for pedophile priests, was known in Boston.
I’m sorry but as a man of good conscience I could never have any association with such a corrupt institution. Much less admire leaders whose contrition only comes after they cannot hide the facts any more. I will never be able to do such and neither should anyone who actually cares for truth.
Please become a medical professional. It is truly an infinitely better choice.
The best prevention would be to punish those responsible for molesting kids and the individuals that enabled/hid them. Actions usually carry more weight than words. Wouldn’t you agree?
Why would anyone trust an individual that claims to represent god on earth in spite of not having any evidence in favor of it? BTW, did you know that is just one of Pope’s official titles? Why would people still keep trusting and supporting such an institution when plenty evidence is available to the contrary? If anyone wants to stop pedophilia in the catholic church the first step would be to stop supporting the same church that enables it. Wouldn’t you agree? Isn’t it obvious?
Efforts right now are focused on where the church did not focus on for DECADES, on the victims. It is my opinion that in an ideal world the type of secular lawyers that would be involved in such cases would be known as prosecutors.
Remember, a mayor component of crime prevention is deterrence. The one thing that can only come by punishing those responsible. The second component is compensation to the victims. Just the thing that a literal army of catholic lawyers are fighting tooth and nail against at courts all over the world right now.
At the end of the day personal attachment to the particular myth and superstition of the catholic church should not overpower our sense of morality and shared humanity. History has shown the folly of such a blindly trusting, i.e. faithful, attitude.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.