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capscorner:

Just thought I should point out that if that bus said, oh say:
“Christians touch hearts
Homosexuals touch children”
it would be offensive and people would harass that bus company until it was removed. I guess it’s okay to take something horrible a few individuals did and say that millions of people with only surface similarities are exactly the same as them as long as it’s religion and not someone’s race, sex, or gender. Because hey, it’s not like we should have any respect for other peoples’ beliefs if they’re different from ours, right?
Bigotry’s all well and good so long as it’s directed at Christians.
That is not to imply that no Christians have ever been bigots -obviously, they’re some of the worst offenders. But not only do those represent only a small fraction of Christians, fighting bigotry and hate with more of the same only perpetuates the cycle.

The difference is that being an homosexual has nothing to do with touching children but being highly religious had everything to do with 911. It is not bigotry to state fact.
In reason:-FA

capscorner:

Just thought I should point out that if that bus said, oh say:

“Christians touch hearts

Homosexuals touch children”

it would be offensive and people would harass that bus company until it was removed. I guess it’s okay to take something horrible a few individuals did and say that millions of people with only surface similarities are exactly the same as them as long as it’s religion and not someone’s race, sex, or gender. Because hey, it’s not like we should have any respect for other peoples’ beliefs if they’re different from ours, right?

Bigotry’s all well and good so long as it’s directed at Christians.

That is not to imply that no Christians have ever been bigots -obviously, they’re some of the worst offenders. But not only do those represent only a small fraction of Christians, fighting bigotry and hate with more of the same only perpetuates the cycle.

The difference is that being an homosexual has nothing to do with touching children but being highly religious had everything to do with 911. It is not bigotry to state fact.

In reason:
-FA

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In the Atheist/Agnostic community morality is like a cafeteria— a lot of picking and choosing taking place. Atheists don’t have any set of morals they just hop from one thing to another. It’s like a wherever the wind blows type of thing…If today raping people becomes a trend atheist will be hoping on that train too. They are..what’s the world I am looking for? Oh yeah I got it. They are bandwagon jumpers.

- Miss Raissa (via missraissa)

Actually raping kids seems to be a trend in catholic circles. It is not the Atheist/Agnostic community (whatever that means) you should be talking about. But again, there is nothing that can be said to those who are proud of putting their ignorance on display.

In reason:
-FA

I get questions…..

My answers in blockquote.

paindore asked:

Hi,

In regards to my last question, you say that

¨There are things that are true and things that are false and it is obvious that not all claims can be right at the same time. If we care for reality and what is actually true then it is unavoidable to recognize that there is no way we can reconcile all the self contradicting beliefs people hold. That is why education on the need for evidence, facts, logic and reason to support beliefs is paramount.¨ which I tend to disagree with especially considering this reality composed of different belief systems which also imply cultural repercussions.

Reality is not dependent on particular belief systems. For example gravity will still work even if your personal belief systems rejects it. Just ask such a person to leave an office building via the 5th floor window instead of the first floor door. I can assure you the personal beliefs of such a person would immediately conform themselves to reality and not the other way around.

Reality, truth, and falsity are concepts that vary especially in a cultural context. For example, your truth (scientific truth) may not exist in certain Inuit populations in which Animism, an irrational system according to your definition of rationality, is truth and doesn’t necessarily get in the way of them surviving or living life.

Just because a belief does not have any negative repercussions you can identify does not make the belief true. Scientific truth (is there any other?) is just a description of reality. A description of the universe that surrounds us.

If there are problems, coming in with an education as unfamiliar as science (in the Inuit context) does not guarantee any type of ¨progression¨ (whatever that means)..

Let me give you an example of progress. Vaccines, medications, surgery, hospitals, and x-rays. In summary, modern medicine. Thank you science. Thank you systematic study, analysis and application of evidence supported facts.

It’s almost like a new sort of colonialism (I’m mostly applying this to non-Judeo/Christian religions) where anything other than science is false and should be changed/eradicated for human ¨progression¨.

No one is advocating the forceful eradication of evidence lacking ideas (religion being one of those for example). Education is the driving force, showing how not all ideas are equally likely, useful or true. I suggest you look up what colonialism was and how it was implemented first before trying to make a comparison.

The early anti-foot binding and fgm (female genital mutilation) campaigns are great examples that probably better explain what I’m trying to say.

We have health (i.e. scientific), moral, and ethical reasons for opposing both practices. Such have nothing to do with particular cultural interpretation of what is true. The aforementioned would still be wrong even if humanity as a whole had a belief to the contrary. I suggest you check out Sam Harris book “The Moral Landscape”.

Thanks again

Thank you for asking.

Take care.
In reason:
-FA

bildungsroman
It’s all about the truth, people. And all the evidence is crystal clear right now: the earth is far older than 6,000 years. Evolution is a real, and it is a process built on raw chance driven by the brutal engines of selection, and there is no sign of a loving, personal god, but only billions of years of pitiless winnowing without any direction other than short-term survival and reproduction. It’s not pretty, it’s not consoling, it doesn’t sanctify virginity, or tell you that god really loves your foreskin, but it’s got one soaring virtue that trumps all the others: it’s true.

Confrontation all the way : Pharyngula

Brilliant. Read this, all of it, now.

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mayden-mother-crone asked:

Hello, I am a big fan of your blog! I just had a baptist man and his teenage son visit my front door to tell me that heaven is the only option and give me shitty pamphlets. I used to greet these people with a fake smile and nod and a polite "I'm not interested," but I would listen to their crap. However, they keep coming, every couple of weeks, and I am now starting to get very annoyed that these people are going door to door to spread lies. I'm thinking, next time, I'm going to tell these people that there is no god and if they have a young person with them to tell them they have a choice and that they don't have to follow a religion. I was wondering how you would deal with this type of situation...

I love when Jehovah Witnesses knock at my door. I respectfully listen to them but also challenge their religious assumptions. To do this effectively, one has to devote time studying these subjects before trying to engage them.

Remember that these folks take the effort to knock on your door because they actually believe the superstition they are peddling is true. Plainly telling them they are wrong will only serve to produce an “I am persecuted because of the truth” self-reinforcing mindset.

My approach is one of questioning. Of trying to get across the need for doubt and skepticism in all aspects of life, including religion. A well placed question can be way more powerful than the most thought out argument one could give.

I believe there is a pressing need for all atheists, rationalists and evidentialists to speak up in favor of truth and reality. I am glad you realize the same.

Take care.
In reason:
-FA

“Truth has nothing to do with the number of people it convinces.”

-Paul Claudel.

You’ve probably seen this quote before, but it stands true. Religion is highly regarded partly because an argument -however ridiculous- any believer can make starts with, “Well millions of people follow it, so why shouldn’t I?” The fact of the matter is, that strength in numbers, is not always strength, but the naivety to follow a crowd, instead of walking a new path. There are no questions, only statements repeated and reinforced by the masses that echo their teachings. When people begin to question with the intentions of pursuing a logical answer, will truth not be held by the population, but by those strong enough to defy them.

Submitted by havingneweyes

kristerr
1. Allege that there’s a conspiracy.
2. Use fake experts to support your story.
3. Cherry-pick the evidence.
4. Create impossible standards for your opponents.
5. Use logical fallacies.
6. Manufacture doubt.

Living in denial: Why sensible people reject the truth - opinion - 19 May 2010 - New Scientist

Pretty excellent article on the why normally rational people reject things like climate change, vaccines, HIV/AIDS and H1N1

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