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friendlyatheist:

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EDIT: On free will. Where is the free will of a person that is being raped? Does this god take into account that? The fact that the person being raped does not want it to happen? Nope. Only the free will of the rapist counts. Either a god does not exist or god really, really likes rapists.

OH MY FUCKING WORD

DOES IT SAY GOD ANYWHERE?
No. It doesn’t.
DOES IT SAY ‘ABLE TO MANIPULATE THE UNIVERSE TO YOUR DESIRES?’
Nope.
Because free will, from a religious perspective, is God going “hey guys do whatever you want and are able to do.”
So I am sure rape victims want to stop rape, but they can’t.
I mean… did you think before you wrote that? Are you trying to say there is no free will?

SIWOTI alert #2 and with this the topic is over. Don’t want to spam the feeds…
I did not say there is no free will (I am a compatibilist btw, so look it up). On the contrary, belief in god precludes free will.
Does god know the future before it will happen? Can god do anything different to that which he already knows he will do? Omniscience negates free will. So if you want to assert free will then start getting rid of the idea of god, at least an all knowing god.
Let’s assume that then that your god does not have all knowledge and that he does not know the future. Does free will excuse suffering? Well, only if god is not good because if free will is “do all want and can do” then, is god doing all he wants and he is able to if he is good? If free will exists then god is either not all powerful or he simply does not care. Free will and a good god are a contradiction. Such a being can’t be both at the same time. Is like trying to be all merciful and all just at the same time. 
Imagine you had the power and the free will to stop 9-11 before it happened. Would you have stopped it? I would have. I assume you would have too because that is common basic HUMAN decency. But god, if such a thing exists, although knowing and being able to do something, did not. Fact is that if a god exists, you and me are more moral than him. Our own good exceeds his…
Look, your juvenile language and your feeble attempts at defending something you haven’t thought out throughly are apparent from your writing. I suggest you spend some time doing some research on these subjects. 
In reason:
-FA
In summary: The assertion that a god exists is not only incompatible with reality, science and nature but it is also incompatible with morality, omniscience, justice, free will and love. Such a belief is totally superflous. Again, the universe behaves as we would expect if a god did not exist.

bloodonmytypewriterkeys:

friendlyatheist:

EDIT: On free will. Where is the free will of a person that is being raped? Does this god take into account that? The fact that the person being raped does not want it to happen? Nope. Only the free will of the rapist counts. Either a god does not exist or god really, really likes rapists.

OH MY FUCKING WORD

DOES IT SAY GOD ANYWHERE?

No. It doesn’t.

DOES IT SAY ‘ABLE TO MANIPULATE THE UNIVERSE TO YOUR DESIRES?’

Nope.

Because free will, from a religious perspective, is God going “hey guys do whatever you want and are able to do.”

So I am sure rape victims want to stop rape, but they can’t.

I mean… did you think before you wrote that? Are you trying to say there is no free will?

SIWOTI alert #2 and with this the topic is over. Don’t want to spam the feeds…

I did not say there is no free will (I am a compatibilist btw, so look it up). On the contrary, belief in god precludes free will.

Does god know the future before it will happen? Can god do anything different to that which he already knows he will do? Omniscience negates free will. So if you want to assert free will then start getting rid of the idea of god, at least an all knowing god.

Let’s assume that then that your god does not have all knowledge and that he does not know the future. Does free will excuse suffering? Well, only if god is not good because if free will is “do all want and can do” then, is god doing all he wants and he is able to if he is good? If free will exists then god is either not all powerful or he simply does not care. Free will and a good god are a contradiction. Such a being can’t be both at the same time. Is like trying to be all merciful and all just at the same time. 

Imagine you had the power and the free will to stop 9-11 before it happened. Would you have stopped it? I would have. I assume you would have too because that is common basic HUMAN decency. But god, if such a thing exists, although knowing and being able to do something, did not. Fact is that if a god exists, you and me are more moral than him. Our own good exceeds his…

Look, your juvenile language and your feeble attempts at defending something you haven’t thought out throughly are apparent from your writing. I suggest you spend some time doing some research on these subjects. 

In reason:

-FA

In summary: The assertion that a god exists is not only incompatible with reality, science and nature but it is also incompatible with morality, omniscience, justice, free will and love. Such a belief is totally superflous. Again, the universe behaves as we would expect if a god did not exist.

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